From the CW Injunction Hearings:
BY MR. MERRETT:
14 Q Okay. It is correct, sir, that your definition
15 of truth is, what is truth for you; is that right?
16 MR. POPE: Objection, Your Honor.
17 Object to the relevance of the question.
18 THE COURT: Well, to relevant
19 overruled. He can answer the question.
20 BY MR. MERRETT:
21 Q Is that the definition of truth?
22 A You're asking a philosophical question. What
23 is truth to me is what is actual, what has occurred.
24 What has actually happened.
25 Q Not what Hubbard defines it as?
1 A Mr. Merrett, I don't think you're an expert on
2 Mr. L. Ron Hubbard's definitions.
3 Q Would you like to see a dictionary?
4 A No, actually, I don't.
5 Q He defines, truth is what is truth for you,
7 MR. POPE: Your Honor, objection, Your
8 Honor. This is -- this truly is irrelevant to
9 any issue before the Court.
10 THE WITNESS: Mr. Hubbard -- I'll answer
11 the question. Mr. Hubbard has many
12 descriptions what is true. What is true is
13 what is an actual occurrence, what really
14 occurred. For you to take one sentence out of
15 context of all the writing of Mr. Hubbard is
16 typical, but that is not -- your presentation
17 is not accurate.
18 BY MR. MERRETT:
19 Q Okay. You recognize this as being one of
20 Mr. Hubbard's publications?
21 A If you can put it where I can see it.
22 MR. MERRETT: May I approach?
23 THE COURT: You may, certainly.
24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do.
25 BY MR. MERRETT:
1 Q Can you look up truth in Mr. Hubbards
3 THE COURT: For purpose of the record,
4 let's put some sort of indication into what he
5 is looking at and what he has been handed.
6 MR. POPE: Your Honor?
7 THE COURT: Yes.
8 MR. POPE: What on earth does Ron
9 Hubbard's definition of truth have to do with
10 any issue in this proceeding? It is totally
11 irrelevant. This is pure gamesmanship and
12 nonsense. It is of no probative value
14 THE COURT: Well, since truth is the
15 very essence of what we try to establish here
16 in the courtroom, I'm intrigued by this line,
17 if nothing else. Let me see what he has to say
18 about it. He has -- Mr. Pope, your client has
19 been more willing to come forward, even though
20 you try to object to protect the answers, so
21 let's let the client proceed here on this
22 slippery slope, see what happens.
23 THE WITNESS: First off, let me explain
24 to you what this is.
25 BY MR. MERRETT:
1 Q Let me ask you a question.
2 A You asked me a question.
3 Q The question is, read for me the entire
4 definition of truth.
5 A That is not a question.
6 Q Thank you very much. Read for me the
7 definition of truth from that dictionary.
8 A Your Honor, I would like to clarify this. This
9 is taking some --
10 THE COURT: Okay, I think what he is
11 trying to do, and he is not doing it too
12 artfully. He is asking you, what is L. Ron
13 Hubbard's definition in toto in that book on
15 THE WITNESS: Can I state something
16 to --
17 THE COURT: Answer my question.
18 THE WITNESS: The definition of truth in
19 this book is: Truth is what is true for you.
20 Can I add to that, Your Honor?
21 THE COURT: I'm sorry, what?
22 THE WITNESS: Can I add to that?
23 THE COURT: Can you add to that? Sure
24 go ahead, add to it.
25 THE WITNESS: There is another
1 dictionary Mr. Merrett hasn't provided, there
2 is another dictionary of other material of
3 Scientology. This dictionary is a compilation
4 of statements and all the materials written by
5 Mr. Hubbard, in which there are millions of
6 words and there are numerous descriptions of
7 what is truth. You're asking somewhat of a
8 philosophical question, but I'll tell you that
9 any Scientologist will tell you that truth is
10 very similar to what your definition is, and
11 that is what is really happened.
12 BY MR. MERRETT:
13 Q And for the record, if you would please, close
14 the book and read for us the name of the book on the
16 A This is the Modern Management Technology
18 Q By L. Ron Hubbard?
19 A That's right.
20 Q And that is part of Scientology scripture?
21 A You're right.
22 THE COURT: I'm -- let me ask you a
23 question. You said that -- you just told me
24 that that book is the dictionary?
25 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir, that is a Modern
1 Management Dictionary. There is also --
2 THE COURT: Management Dictionary?
3 THE WITNESS: Yes.
4 THE COURT: You said there were other
5 definitions or other dictionaries to the
6 dictionary, I was just curious to how many.
7 THE WITNESS: Well there is another
8 primary dictionary which is Dictionary of
9 Technical Material of Scientology, which has
10 more excerpts of different statements --
11 THE COURT: I see where we're going
12 here. Okay.
I think it's apparent to the judge at this point that the way to tell if a scientologist is lying, is if his lips are moving!!!
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act"